growing the economy takes a bit of time. i take it that it was expense cutting because you went to -- you balanced your budget. >> i did. i presented a budget and the governor is expected to present a budget, and in that budget, my budget actually increased spending in medicaid and in education. my proposed budget but also trimmed back, for example, i trimmed back on the number of exempt employees. >> greta: what's that mean? >> people who answer just to the governor versus classified employees who you have to -- you can only get rid of an employee for cause. >> greta: so it's basically civil service versus appointments. >> exactly. governor richardson had grown the number of exempt employees by over 340. i have it down to i think 212 at this time. i got rid of the two chefs that were assigned to the residence. we sold the jet that governor richardson had purchased. we sold the jet in addition to four other planes. we cut the exempt employees. no one was going to hernandez ee than $125,000 for cabinet secretary. we were goin